The Medical Software Industry Association’s attack on NEHTA and DoHA during Senate committee hearings last week appears to have backfired on the organisation, with several MSIA members involved in building the PCEHR describing the allegations as “vitriol” and disowning them as “particularly foul”, “unsubstantiated” and “unbalanced”.
With the issue about to come before Senate Estimates tomorrow, one long-standing MSIA member said the association executive appeared to be largely out of touch with the development of interfaces between the PCEHR and GP desktop software. He said accusations made by the organisation in a Senate committee hearing last week that patient safety was being endangered by “parasitic software” feeding health identifier numbers into practice sofware were misleading and did not reflect the experience of MSIA members actually working on the project.
A number of association members rejected claims by the organisation’s recently elected president, Mr Jon Hughes, that the industry had “lost confidence in the ability of the National eHealth Transition Authority (NEHTA) to deliver the program”. One senior developer said the recent pause in PCEHR development that resulted from the discovery of differences in some releases of specifications was “not out of the ordinary for such a large and complex project involving so many different bodies working to such accelerated time lines”.
Representatives of GP desktop software vendors said they had had extensive contact with NEHTA officials over a lengthy period and had seen no evidence to support the contention of MSIA treasurer, Dr Vincent McCauley, that there had been an alarming staff turnover within the organisation. They rejected his claim that “the people in charge of the rollout of the IT implementations have no experience in either IT or health.”
“The credibility of some of the people making the negative comments is not that high,” one long-term member of the MSIA said, “and the more they carp, the lower their credibility becomes.”
Several members also criticised “one-sided reporting” of ehealth issues by The Australian’s IT reporter Karen Dearne, and ehealth blogger, Dr David More, who is currently describing the PCEHR as “a train wreck” and “a humongous mess”.
One executive of the Australasian College of Health Informatics described Dr More – a fellow of the college – as “a loose cannon” and said his media comments as an “ehealth expert” were becoming a frequent embarrassment. “He does not represent the views of the college,” a spokesman[in fact not a spokesman, because the college doesn't have one, according to its president in a comment below] said.
One long-term medical software industry figure questioned why he had never come across Dr More during his work in the field. “I never understand David More. I have been in this industry since the early 1990s and I have never met him. Who is he? What gives him credibility? To my knowledge he has never had any active role in major ehealth development. He just seems to stand on the sidelines and criticise things.”
There is an increasing belief in the industry that some segments of the MSIA are campaigning to have NEHTA disbanded and to stall the ehealth agenda. There are suggestions that the intention is to have the industry direct developments and that “some vendors want to reduce the scope of the PCEHR until it basically just does what the MSIA board’s existing products currently do”. One claimed that “There is a very real feeling among some MSIA members that they were bypassed for DOHA funding and outsiders and comparatively new developers were given large amounts of government money for doing relatively little. I think there’s a certain amount of petty jealousy.”
One MSIA member working on GP desktop software said that Dr McCauley’s assertion before the Senate committee that “most of the [lead] sites were using a NEHTA-sponsored initiative to inject Individual Healthcare Identifiers (IHIs) into GP desktop software … largely without the consent or cooperation of the software vendors” had been overtaken by the fact that all the desktop software vendors, including the market-leading Medical Director, which has recently begun working with NEHTA, could now directly import the identifiers without the need for “bolt-on” or “parasitic” software.
“This stuff about so-called ‘parasitic software’ is kind of true, but nobody from the MSIA asks us whether we have any concerns about it, or what it could do. In fact it may end up never being used,” he said.
“And to be honest, in practice it’s very hard to get a wrong health identifier back from Medicare. How many people have the same first name, surname, date of birth and Medicare number? There’s a theoretical risk, but in practice it’s not been an issue.”
Another vendor representative said that medical practices were also using the company’s desktop software to import IHIs without any problems, and she was bewildered by the accusation of potential dangers.
“The only thing I can imagine they were talking about – and let me be clear I am not endorsing the view that this is potentially dangerous software because I am not 100 per cent sure that it is – the only other thing I can think of is that there are some practices that have used it to date, and maybe that’s the issue. I don’t know.”
She said that members of the MSIA were working very happily with NEHTA, and the fact that the association which supposedly representing them was presenting “such an unbalanced view” made it difficult.
“It would be interesting to know what the trigger was for such vitriol. If it was just a statement of a view that was substantiated reasonably that I happened to disagree with, that’s fine. I think that is a good thing. But it is certainly not helpful when such an unbalanced view is expressed so forcefully.”
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Charles
Would it not be journalistic custom to actually name your sources that you have quoted in your post? If in fact they do exist…..
No, it would not be journalistic practice at all. Every journalist prefers that sources go on the record, but it is by no means uncommon for them to insist on not being identified. In those cases the journalist must satisfy himself that the source is reliable and reporting of the remarks serves the public interest. They must be quoted accurately.
These quotes are from verbatim notes. The sources are impeccable.
The suggestion that I would manufacture sources is, of course, offensive. But judging from your history on this blog, that seems to Be the way you operate.
Well I have impeccable sources from within Nehta who agree that it is a train wreck, if we can use sources without naming them.
Oh, Andrew. I’m sure that your sources are impeccable.
Unfortunately, due to your by now legendary inability – so often demonstrated in the comment threads here – to take on board anything that does not agree with your regrettably narrow point of view, you have undoubtedly completely misunderstood what they were trying to tell you.
Charles
Thank you for your reply.
For what it’s worth, I just think that it is unfair for you to trash someones else’s qualifications and experience under the cloak of a quote from an anonymous source.
But, hey, it’s your blog, and you win anyway in the end.
I shall forever cherish the staggering irony of your comment, Paul, given the long-term, industrial-grade, anonymous trashing of other people’s qualifications, conduct and experience that only you, apparently, seem to be unaware of. Where has your sense of fairness been hiding over the past few years?
I’d rather champion the cause of those whose views have been silenced by the ferocity of these campaigns. They have the right to be heard without the threat of reprisals. The public has the right to hear them.
PS
Re yor quote on David More – “He does not represent the views of the college,” a spokesman said.
I think you will find that David has never claimed that his views represent the views of the College.
And as for you, Charles, for the record, are the views expressed in your blog representative of the views of NeHTA/DoHA , or do you own them yourself?
I am only left with a comment appropriate to the level of seriousness that people take your opinions and the personal nature of your attacks. “Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries”
I have received the following from the president of the ACHI, Peter Williams, following a complaint by David More:
“With regard to comments by an ACHI ‘spokesman’ (a role which does not exist in our structure) that Dr More ‘does not represent the views of the college’, that is a statement of fact as he does not speak on ACHIs behalf but I have no evidence that Dr More has ever purported to do so. He is simply one of its fellows expressing a personal opinion and, as on many issues, the college will have a wide divergence of views. This is a very healthy thing to foster debate and challenge ideas in a professional forum.
“As the President of ACHI and on behalf of the executive I would like to publicly dissociate the executive from the remarks attributed to it by Charles Wright on the http://www.ehealthcentral.com.au website with respect to Dr More and will advise Mr Wright of this.”
And I have advised Peter Williams that in fact, however, the remarks were made by a member of the executive who failed to advise me that the executive in fact did not have a spokesman. Given his position, it was perfectly reasonable for a responsible journalist to regard him as a spokesman.
Dr More has more than once used his position as a fellow of the college to support his qualifications as an ehealth expert.
Charles,
Perhaps the vitriol is nourished by frustration. The deep hole in which Nehta finds itself could have been minimised if Nehta had shown more respect for technicians in the private sector. They generally know what works and what doesn’t work.
When they get it wrong, they lose customers. It’s that simple.
When Nehta screws up it can hire more contractors, pull the wool over naive politicos’s eyes, castigate bloggers, allow bullies in its ranks to go unpunished and blame malcontents in the MSIA.
Those rocks are looming pretty close, so I think everybody in Nehta’s camp should grab a life preserver and start swimming.
Mr Wright,
“And I have advised Peter Williams that in fact, however, the remarks were made by a member of the executive who failed to advise me that the executive in fact did not have a spokesman. Given his position, it was perfectly reasonable for a responsible journalist to regard him as a spokesman.”
Just how was that reasonable, without confirming the status and capacity of the anonymous individual (to act as a spokesman) and that their views were those of the Executive – as we now know they are not – was that?. My personal view is that is is ‘gutter journalism” at its worst. Your professional credibility is gone.
Your sponsored attacks on me quoting anonymous sources has reached the stage where I now plan to ask the Media and Arts Alliance just how compliant you are with the Code of Conduct.
“Dr More has more than once used his position as a fellow of the college to support his qualifications as an ehealth expert.”
Charles do you also suggest that being a Fellow of the Aust. College of Health Informatics is not a significant qualification in e-Health? You might find your source pretty annoyed by that. Remember I also have a PhD that has a major Health IT component – I suppose you think a Sydney University PhD is also made up?
David.
Gutter journalism? A journalist contacts a member of the executive and asks for a comment. The executive provides the comment (actually rang me back … twice! … to do so). But later the president says the college doesn’t have a spokesman. It’s ludicrous.
It might not have an official spokesman, but someone who answers a journalist’s questions is acting as a spokesman. You’re lost in some semantic wonderland, I’m afraid.
The Media Alliance will have a huge laugh when you give them your definition of gutter journalism, and particularly if they can be bothered to read the sort of thing you routinely put on your blog.
I’d like to know when you ever bothered to interview a spokesman for anything, rather than just ripping off everyone else’s copyrighted
material, at length.
You don’t know the slightest thing about journalism, and you care not a bit for its ethics.
At least I try to get comments from people of some authority … people who don’t have an axe to grind. Unlike you, I don’t just churn out endless amounts of innuendo and gossip.
And there you go again, trying to use your membership of the college to advance your stature in ehealth.
In answer to your question: No. I don’t think that being a fellow of the college is necessarily a significant qualification. The way it was
explained to me by the non-spokesman for the college, it appears to be a matter of being able to tick enough boxes. That’s precisely how he put it.
I would have thought the awarding of a fellowship would require more than having a health IT “component” in your PhD.
Tell us what you’ve actually DONE, David. What papers have you published? What projects have you worked on? When did you last DO anything but criticise others? Because nobody seems to
know.
Mr Wright,
Sorry, I don’t respond to baiting.
More stuff for my complaint. Thanks
David.
Charles,
The Barry Hall style of diplomacy only works if your mum is prepared to go on TV and tell everyone what a gentle, decent bloke you are. Perhaps you should consult your sponsors before taking this any further.
You will find that David’s many sources are very trustworthy. Most of them work for Nehta. Others have recently abandoned the ship. Not all have been muzzled by NDAs and conditional severances.
Nehta employees are whispering quietly from the shadows, right into David’s ear.
Mr Wright
I am not sure what your qualifications are regarding calling yourself a journalist, however I would say you are at the bottom of the pecking order based on the articles I have read on your blog thus far. Clearly you have no health informatics expertise and given that you would appear to be on NEHTA’s payroll, you are blatantly biased to the hilt. Your constant barage of defammatory language and innuendo that you direct at individuals would appear to be aimed at slurring their professional standing and credibility and this is clearly personal and highly unprofessional …and now you have started on an organisation such as ACHI which is the Australian professional health informatics body – are you just a grumpy old man providing ill-informed comment and opinion on an area you have no expertise in or are you just doing this for the money and to pedal propaganda from your paying sponsors ??
Either way you are way out of your league and not providing any useful service to the community in my opionion.
By the way, before you extend your vitriolic diatribe to myself, I make these observations and comments as a long-standing health informatics professional (and a fellow of ACHI) with over 30 years experience in the field – and I have no conflicts of interest or commercial interests in NEHTA or any other health organisation
Paul Clarke
I do not normally bother reading your blog because I learn little from it but my attention has been brought to the unfounded denigration of a respected colleague.
I have worked directly with David More and can attest to his knowledge of e-health and to his curriculum vitae which is more distinguished than most working in the field and certainly those commenting on it. Perhaps you are genuinely unaware that in addition to his PhD, FACHI and medical degree he also earned Fellowships of the Australian and New Zealand College of Anaesthetists and the College of Intensive Care Medicine, worked as a senior clinician in one of our biggest hospitals and was for a time Director of IT and Health for Ernst & Young.
I believe the current personal attacks on some of our most experienced, knowledgeable and intelligent health informaticians is inappropriate and has the motive of diminishing the power of the advice they are giving.
In case you wonder about my credentials they include BSc(Hons) MCom(BIS) PhD FFSc(RCPA) FAICD FAIM FACHI and I was President of the Health Informatics Society of Australia 2004-2010.
I am impressed and touched by such a spontaneous outpouring of support for Dr More.
Paul and Michael, as respected health informaticians, does your support of Dr More indicate you agree with his assessment of the national initiative as a “train wreck”? Those of us on the outside would like some clarity – because the two views put forward thus far are at polar opposites.
When such an article appears, sponsored by the body under attack, and the article attacks the attackers, its impartiality, independence and veracity come automatically under scrutiny. To then run, said article, without naming one source for the contrary opinion, is at best stupid, at worst utterly unprofessional.
You can rant and rave all you like Charles, but your a spruiker not a journalist.